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The term "Supergroup" is one that
has its origin in the seventies when groups like EMERSON, LAKE
and PALMER and BLIND FAITH ruled both the airwaves and
concert stages. Since that time the concept and term have been used
endlessly with less and less justification to do so.
Finally, with the release of LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT, the
progressive rock world has put together a group which is justifiably
and demonstrably a "Supergroup."
Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci of DREAM THEATER, Jordan Rudess
of THE DREGS and Tony Levin who has played with everyone from
PETER GABRIEL to YES came together for five days to
hammer out an extemporaneous recording that only professionals of
their ability and experience could have even attempted. The record
has been called a "stroke-fest" by some but if what is contained in
these 70 minutes is pure pomp the circumstance for it are perfect.
Every number on the disc is pure adrenaline just this side of extreme.
There are no singers and no ballads, just straight ahead virtuosity
and passion. It is just what the music scene needs right now.
I spoke with
LTE's motivating force, Mike Portnoy about this project and
about the state of progressive rock in general.
MUSIC AMERICA: How did four progressive rock virtuoso's come
together to form LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT?
MIKE PORTNOY:
Coincidentally we all live in New York. Jordan and I both live in
Rockland County and John lives on Long Island, where I used to live
and Tony lives upstate in Woodstock.
That
was just by coincidence. The project actually came together when Magna
Carta approached me about the possibility of putting together a "Super
Group" of my choice and I gave them a big wish list of all the
people that I wanted to work with.
Over
the course of a year or so this was the lineup that ended up solidifying
itself. We ended up do this album, writing and recording within five
days or so. It was a really wild experience.
MA: One of
the facts that I gleaned from my research was that you had worked
for a very long time on the DREAM THEATER record but for only a few
days on the LTE project. Does it get you a bit frustrated that you
can manage such an incredible LTE recording in five days but it takes
so much longer to put together a DREAM THEATER record?
MP:
Well, I think that DREAM THEATER is a very different thing
than what we are doing with LTE. DREAM THEATER is A)
our bread and butter.
This is what we do for a living. LTE is sorta like our hobby.
DREAM
THEATER is our real job so we put a lot of time and care into
it and I think that we have been known for making records that are
very meticulous and polished so that is what DREAM THEATER
is all about.
Having done a whole album in one week I would have to say that I prefer
doing it that way. I prefer working with spontaneous ideas and recordings
and stuff like that. With DREAM THEATER's music we spent a
year and a half writing this latest album.
During
that process we would demo it and re-write it and re-record it and
then try it out live so that by the time we got into the studio to
record it, it was very well rehearsed.
Which can be a good thing but the bad thing is that you lose a lot
of that initial magic and spark when you are writing the music.
That was the beauty of the LTE album. We would write something
on the spot, spend a few hours putting it together and then hit record.
What
you are listening to on the album was written just hours before that
so, it is as fresh as it could be. There is a lot to be said for doing
it both ways.
MA: Was the
title "Liquid Tension Experiment" something that came as an after
thought or was that something that you had before the band was finalized?
MP:
Originally I was calling it "The Millennium Project" and halfway
through the record we decided to go with something different and we
had a list of stuff that we pulled from this book that had been sitting
around the studio.
That is where we got a lot of the phrases for the song titles like
"Universal Mind" and "State of Grace" and "Freedom
of Speech".
Another thing that we pulled was the phrase "Liquid Tension"
and that just seemed to sum it all up because it was liquid in the
sense that everything flowed so smoothly but it was tension because
it was a very tense, stressful process to write and record this thing
in such a short period of time.
It really summed up the two extremes in this whole project. I wanted
to get the word experiment in there because that is exactly what it
was. We had no idea what was going to become of this project. It was
like putting four mice in the studio and seeing what they would come
up with.
MA: When
you were writing this with these three other virtuoso musicians did
ego ever become a problem? Was there ever a point where one of you
would say "I want it to go this way." and then someone else would
say "No, I think it should go this way."?
MP:
Oh, definitely. That is part of the process of collaborating but it
all happened so quickly that there wasn't much time for much of that.
I mean, with DREAM THEATER, talk about ego's and about going
head to head!
We have been writing together for a very long time now so DREAM
THEATER takes a very long time to get the ideas from point A to
point Z. There is a lot of compromising that goes on.
With this project there wasn't so much of that. Even though all four
of us have established or accomplished a lot in our individual worlds,
I would have to say that everybody involved in this project, I won't
speak for myself, but John, Tony and Jordan are all easy going soft
spoken guys.
Jordan is a bit of a perfectionist but in a good way. Jordan is not
used to collaborating where John and I are used to it and Tony is
the ultimate professional.
Jordan is used to doing things his own way because he has never been
in a band so maybe for him it was a little awkward and he would have
to compromise his ideas a little but the whole thing was so quick
that there wasn't enough time and we all went with the flow. Whatever
happened, happened.
MA: Have
you heard the RPM CD?
MP: Yeah.
They just toured with us in Europe.
MA: Jordan
played with DREAM THEATER for a short time, didn't he?
MP: He
did one show with us.
MA: Between
RPM and DREAM THEATER did you all have occasion to jam on this stuff
at all?
MP:
No. When Jordan and Rod were opening for us we didn't incorporate
them into the DREAM THEATER show and we should have. John Myoung
and Derrick just did a side project with Rod Morgenstein along with
Ty Tabor from KINGS X.
So, when you had RUDESS/MORGENSTEIN and DREAM THEATER
on tour together you had six of the eight members of these two projects
andit was tempting to do something. I think that in the future we
might do a tour together. Their project and our project and we would
be able to play in all of these different formations.
DREAM THEATER could playRUDESS/MORGENSTEIN could play.
LTE could play. We even had a show on this last tour in England
when James became very sick and we had to cancel the show. We tried
to talk the promoter into letting all of us play. Me, John, John,
Jordan, Rod and Derrick but it ended up not happening.
MA: The promoter
said "Not for this money!"
MP: (Laughs)Yeah!
MA: I know
that this is just seeing the light of day but can you see an LTE 2
or other projects where you work with other people?
MP:
I see both. Before I see a second LTE project I can see live
dates.
I think that is what is next on the horizon if we were to do anything
else together. I think that would be the way to go. Like I say, I
would love to put together a tour with Derrick and John Myoung's side
project.
I would love to do another album with those guys. All four of us had
a great experience with it and I think that we would work together
in a heartbeat. It's just a matter of the timing being right. As for
the second part of your question, I think that I am also going to
put together another project similar to this one later in the year.
Another sort of "Super Group" lineup but we will see.
MA: You are
not going to tell me who are you?
MP: Nope!(laughs)
I have spoken to all of them and once again it is just a matter of
finding the window of opportunity.
MA: Will
this be another Magna Carta project?
MP: I
don't know. I will talk to them and see if they are interested in
it.
MA: I was
asked by someone to ask you about your relationship with Magna Carta.
MP:
I have nothing but support for those guys. I have had a great relationship
with those guys for years. How can I say anything bad about a label
that has given me an opportunity to do an album with Tony Levin and
an album with Billy Sheehan?
Two people who I love and always wanted to work with. I have a lot
of respect for what they are doing and even though it is a small label
and it is at a smaller level than what we do with Dream theater, I
fully respect the fact that they are really trying to give a lot of
these younger progressive bands an opportunity that they wouldn't
have had normally.
It's a tough business and major labels are not giving the time of
day to the progressive scene so, I am very supportive of a label that
is willing to do that.
MA: I have
read about your disdain for the state of the music business in general.
That is something that most artist don't do, at least publicly. Tonight,
your concert is being "presented" by a radio station that hasn't played
your music in years...
MP:
Don't get me started!
I'll be flipping these guys off from the stage tonight!
I have said many bad things about the media and radio stations and
magazines and it pisses them off. I don't want to get all off on that.
It's a very frustrating business to be in. There is a lot of politics
involved and, its just frustrating.
MA: DREAM
THEATER has been a group that has maintained its integrity in that
it doesn't write songs specifically so that they would get on MTV
or on the radio. Would you agree?
MP: I
think that we have been very luck to have been able to survive this
long and to do what we do. There are always obstacles. Making this
record took longer than we would have liked because of all the political
bullshit involved but ultimately, at the end of the day, we are proud
of every one of our albums.
We have done them on our own terms and I think we have built up quite
a fan base through it. As much as I dislike major labels, the fact
of the matter is they have gotten us the recognition that a lot of
younger bands don't get because smaller label just can't do it.
I feel very fortunate that we are still able to do this for a living.
Everybody from YES to QUEENSRYCHE to MARILLION,
those guys don't even have major label deals anymore.
I guess we are pretty fortunate in that respect or unfortunate. It
depends on how you look at it!(laughs)
MA: I think
the finest testament to what you just said was the line that we just
passed to get onto the buss. We are still an hour ahead of show time
and the line is huge. Do you remember the days when this wasn't the
case?
MP: Yeah.
We are very fortunate. We have had a fanbase that stands by us.
This is like, a last minute tour that was only put together about
a month or so ago but the people always come out. About a year or
so ago before we went and did "Falling Into Infinity" we went and
did some dates, just some one offs to just get out and play again.
This is two or two and a half years after our last release with nothing
else in the stores yet we sold out all the shows and that is completely
do to our great fans. They always stand by us and that is the one
thing that I absolutely love about this band is how great the fans
are.
MA: This
summer you will be out with DEEP PURPLE and ELP. Do you worry that
this may place the image of a retro-act on yourselves?
MP: That
was our only concern with that bill. Being that they are both from
the 70's and we are from the 90's.
I really think that it should be looked at as the progressive rock
heros of the past and, hopefully, of today and tomorrow, colliding
somewhere in between. I don't think that we will be lumped in with
them. I think that we are, obviously, a young band and they have been
around for a long time.
We are glad that they are taking us out because we have been wanting
a support slot for years. We have always been headlining and doing
it on our own and we have always been looking for a band like DEEP
PURPLE or YES to take us out so, I think it will be good.
Even if we do sell more records then them of our current products,
the fact of the matter is that both of those bands are legends and
big influences for us and it is going to be amazing.
Though we are all part of the progressive rock scene their audience
is much older than us and there is a good chance that big portions
of their audiences have no idea who we are which would be some good
exposure for us. We would like to tap into some new listeners.
MA: Where
do you see progressive rock music heading to as a whole? I ask because
until you guys came along a few years ago the whole progressive rock
scene had become very stagnate.
MP:
Musically and creatively the progressive rock scene is bigger than
ever.
All the bands that are on Magna Carta and there is a label in Europe
called Inside Out that has a lot of progressive bands.
SPOCK'S BEARD is a new band that I absolutely love. I think
that they are the best out there for this genre.
So, creatively it's bigger and better than it ever has been or at
least better than it has been in a very long time. However, as far
as it having much impact on the mainstream of music, I don't see it
having much impact because the major labels, they don't care.
They would rather be signing THE PRODIGY or the SPICE GIRLS
and the quick sell. We are the only young progressive band that I
can think of that even has that level of exposure. As long as the
major labels are going to be that closed minded, it's going to be
a rough ride.
MA: What
does the immediate future hold for you?
MP:
I think that we will probably put out some new live material in the
fall. maybe a live home video but that is still in the works. That's
what is going on with DREAM THEATER.
As far as LTE, like I said, I would love to be able to put
together some type of tour. maybe in the fall or winter depending
on every bodies schedule.
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